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Re: Chrome wire wheels 53-56 [by Leeedy]

Sat, 04 Feb 2012 15:09:52 -0000

General:: Chrome wire wheels 53-56
Packard postwar chrome wire wheels had slightly thicker rims by definition. The triple plating process alone would make any rim thicker. And of course spoke wheel rims are put to stresses that ordinary disc wheels are not. So a somewhat heavier gauge of the rim itself also makes plenty of sense.

As for the matter of balancing these wheels, today in the 21st century there are so many ways to attach weights including ways to make them not look obvious or different... or visible at all in some cases. In reference to the Packard Service Counselor notes... there was�mentioned or not�the added issue of attaching (and maintaing grip) of a lead weight to a spinning, slippery new chrome rim, plus the thickness.

By the way, these wheels are so often referred to as "Kelsey-Hayes" but they were actually made by Motor Wheel Corporation. Cadillacs of the same era used K-H and you can easily see the differences by simply looking at the wheels and how they are laced. The Packard wire wheels were much stronger.

As for radial tires on these wheels, I am unsure what "stresses" radials would cause. Since bias-ply tires "squirm" down the road and radial tires "moosh" down the road, I fail to see why radials would pose undue "stresses" since they actually roll smoother! They just don't look quite as cool and beautiful as old bias-ply Firestones or Good Years or General Nygen whitewalls!

Re: Pan American concept cars info wanted [by Owen_Dyneto]

Sat, 04 Feb 2012 14:45:42 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: Pan American concept cars info wanted
Has the Director/President of The Packard Automobile Club de France not been able to help? Seems an obvious point to start if you haven't already; I believe his name is Jerome Hardy and you can contact the Packard Club de France thru the "Regions" section of the PAC website, or Jerome at jerome.hardy@classiccarnetwork.eu

Re: far away from home [by Guscha]

Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:19:49 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: far away from home
Peter, thank's for putting the cart behind the horse. That is a Rolls Royce, designed in positional awareness to build one of the best cars money can buy! Even conceivably padded and branded, vegetable tanned, lime green 10oz leather straps, cut from Connolly with handmade double-stitched seams, embroided owner initials and brazen roll buckle, held in place by four nickelplated Chicago Screws, which can be removed to change out the buckle..., a firework of eye-flattering details instead of an ill-fitting functional balloon silk cover from the bargain bin next to the desused railway station.

[picture source: http://www.marburger-lederwaren.de]

Re: Vacuum Tank Parts [by 32model901]

Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:57:39 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: Vacuum Tank Parts
Friartuck,

I don't know of anyone making these, but maybe this link would help.

http://www.classicpreservation.com/vactankrebuilding.html

Regards,

Dave

Re: East Grand Blvd., Conner Ave. or even Moscow? [by Guscha]

Sat, 04 Feb 2012 11:14:51 -0000

General:: East Grand Blvd., Conner Ave. or even Moscow?
1,ooo tons eccentric punching machine at the Stalin Motor Works

[picture source: "The story of automobiles" (Moscow 1950)]

Re: New to Forum [by Let the ride decide]

Sat, 04 Feb 2012 05:21:05 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: New to Forum
HH,
Is 100 psi what the pressure in the system on the car? Would the pressure be the same for all brake systems?

Re: 352 Crankshaft [by PackardV8]

Sat, 04 Feb 2012 05:08:40 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: 352 Crankshaft
THe Sept 56 price list does indicate 440912 (ENDING IN TWO) and 476009 cranks ONLY. NO others.

Re: Progress report [by HH56]

Sat, 04 Feb 2012 04:55:52 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: Progress report
Quote:

PackardV8 wrote:
Probably a good idea to run the car for a while with hood removed while adjustements are made. Makes it a lot easier.

Agreed, but I have enough trouble as it is putting things I've already removed back on -- without even thinking about trying to take the hood off. The piece missing so the hood is loose is the top splasher and latch. Once the AC is charged and no leaks around condenser area, will install it. Since I'm on the 24-24 plan (24 minutes working, 24 hours recuperating), that ought to be another 6 months.

Re: Brand New Original 1955 Packard radio - from Packard Dealership [by cli55er]

Sat, 04 Feb 2012 04:52:23 -0000

For Sale, Wanted, Trade:: Brand New Original 1955 Packard radio - from Packard Dealership
Good luck. They NEVER post prices and it is ANNOYING!!

Re: Intermittent power drop when headlights are turned on [by PackardV8]

Sat, 04 Feb 2012 04:37:47 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: Intermittent power drop when headlights are turned on
It's called belt and suspenders:

ground strap engine to frame, ground strap engine to body. ground strap battery to engine. That covers it all.

If not a grounding problem then u have a regulator problem. How did it work with the OLD regulator????? Maybe put the OLD regulator back on to see if the problem stops.

Wanted 288-327 bell housing and flywheel [by packard1984]

Sat, 04 Feb 2012 03:51:59 -0000

For Sale, Wanted, Trade:: Wanted 288-327 bell housing and flywheel
I'm looking for a bell housing and flywheel that I can use on a 52-53 L8 Hopefully close by an Florida or someone willing to deal with money orders and shipping

288 intakes [by packard1984]

Sat, 04 Feb 2012 03:47:02 -0000

Modification Discussion:: 288 intakes
I have decided to press my 288 L8 into service and I am hoping to keep it a fairly low budget build up (unlike my 52 327). I'm planning to build my own intake manifold and do a good rebuild on the engine and do something fancy to the exhaust and if i can find someone who will touch it regrind the cam. I'm wondering if anyone has made a custom intake for the L8 before and what their experience was I want more of a hot rod look than the stock 4bbl and the original Edmunds 2X2 is out of the budget for this build any help would be great.

Re: Engine Motor Numbers [by HH56]

Sat, 04 Feb 2012 03:45:48 -0000

General:: Engine Motor Number Photos Needed
Mal, thanks and a belated thanks to O_D for getting the twelve photo. One of this batch is slightly different so will use it. I think we have a pretty decent file now on everything except 20's. Just one of those of a single six came in but will make do and submit all to Kev shortly.

Re: SPARK PLUG WIRES [by BigKev]

Sat, 04 Feb 2012 03:41:35 -0000

General:: SPARK PLUG WIRES
Packard 440 wire for me. Solid core copper goodness.

Re: i want to buy this, help [by HH56]

Sat, 04 Feb 2012 03:33:20 -0000

General:: i want to buy this, help
Oh the shame! A Buick priced the same as a newer low mileage Packard. Let's hope the Packard was a stripped down model or at least there was no demand for coupes.

Re: 1947 Super Clipper idle problem [by Tim Cole]

Sat, 04 Feb 2012 02:09:17 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: 1947 Super Clipper idle problem
Dear Packard1949:

The technical term for your problem is called a "coast down stall". In computer controlled engines these are usually confined to problems at the air intake. That should provide a few clues.

My guess is that you have dirt in the idle circuit of your carburetor. This is supported by the motor running worse when you remove the air cleaner. I would try racing the motor and momentarily placing your hand over the carburetor. The suction will help disldoge any dirt in the air bleeds. If the car runs better then you have a dirt problem. Air leaks can also cause a coast down stall, which may be rememdied by careful tightening of the screws that hold the base to the float bowl section.

Whomever sold you the Mighty-Vac made a good recommendation as the unit is fine for checking motor vacuum. Your idle vacuum should be between 17-21 inhg. Your readings of 11-14 are low so I would do a compression test. If the static compression is good (100 or higher) then your timing chain may be worn or you may have a vacuum leak. Usually those readings due to vacuum leaks would also have significant driveability problems.

I have a really sensitive vacuum gauge that I store in a foam lined box, I don't use it except when I need to look at mechanical problems like weak valve springs, broken rings, low cylinders, and faulty ignition.

There is another possibility and that is a problem with the overdrive relay. When these relays get old the ignition interruptor sticks and kills the motor. This is that extra wire on points side of the coil. It can be disconnected and the overdrive will still work.

Re: polarizing the generator? [by Tim Cole]

Sat, 04 Feb 2012 01:06:30 -0000

General:: polarizing the generator?
Hi folks

Before everybody starts poking around their voltage regulator and manually closing contacts let's look at what is actually going on with this polarization stuff.

Firstly, if the cutout is closed with the motor off the ammeter needle will be buried or the the Gen light will be on so you don't have to take the cover off the regulator.
In either case not disconnecting the battery will result in a fire. Sticking regulator cutouts on old regualtors are one of the reasons disconnect switches became popular

What polarize means is to momentarily feed battery voltage to the generator armature. That is A - armature and B - battery. The field terminal (F) is a pulse modulated ground and should not be used.

This procedure is highlighted in the Delco Manual, but they don't say what it actually does other than to say that not polarizing the generator after the battery is disconnected can result in "severe damage". This is of course contrary to mass experience because, were it true, every car with a disconnect switch would burn up.

Usually what happens is that the generator doesn't charge until it is properly polarized.

So just what is Polarize? The regulator has dual windings around a soft iron core. When battery voltage is manually applied to the armature the north and south poles of these soft iron cores are established which allows generator voltage to close the cutout.

Hope this helps

Re: 37 120 grill louvers [by Pack120c]

Fri, 03 Feb 2012 18:00:51 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: 37 120 grill louvers
In addition to what has been cited by O_D and BH, standard equipment specifications for the 120CD also include:

Gear shift knob with chrome plated cap
Center arm rest in rear seat
Heavy type (Senior) door handles
Flexible steel spoked (banjo) steering wheel
Mohair floor mats (carpet) front and abd rear.

The above comes from a dog eared photocopy page of the sales catalog.

In a letter to Packard distributors dated Sept 3, 1936 it also states that "The equipment and specifications for the model One Thirty Eight will be the same as the Packard One Twenty Deluxe models except that it will not include a deluxe radiator emblem, flexible type steering wheel or white sidewall tires"

Sorry if I took this thread off topic.

Re: throwout bearing [by Owen_Dyneto]

Fri, 03 Feb 2012 17:11:54 -0000

For Sale, Wanted, Trade:: throwout bearing
Olcar bearing highly recommended! He's been a mainstay of the hobby for a very long time and is just excellent to do business with. Extensive inventory of ball & roller bearings and seals. Certainly one of the very first places folks should check when looking for such items.

Adventures with a 1937 (115C) Convertible Coupe [by JW]

Fri, 03 Feb 2012 16:50:16 -0000

Project Blogs:: Adventures with a 1937 (115C) Convertible Coupe
I started working on the 115C but posted to my other blog: Adventures with a 1955 Clipper. This posting will start off a second project blog on the '37. Here is a photo of the car on the front page of a neighborhood newspaper that covered a July 4th parade.

(o[]o)

Re: Adventures with a 1955 Clipper [by JW]

Fri, 03 Feb 2012 16:40:31 -0000

Project Blogs:: Adventures with a 1955 Clipper
Brian, I have asked Kev about renaming my project blog. If he does it would be a mix. The main title would reflect the new name, but the old name would appear on all the subsequent posts. This I think would be too confusing. Following your suggestion is a better way to go. Thanks.

(o[]o)

Re: Using classics as a business [by Don Skotty]

Fri, 03 Feb 2012 15:58:36 -0000

General:: Using classics as a business
I didn't mean to hijack this discussion with the Sheik of Kuwait Packard. I guess it is related as this car was a predecessor to the wine tour Custom Super Clippers -- which are definitely using classics (modified as they are) as a business.

Okay, the reason for the extended trunk area. The sheik specified that his Packard be longer than the neighboring sheik's car. No less than 21 or 22 feet (its in the Derham papers that are posted on this site). Derham extended the front bumper (to accomodate a siren that is barely visible in the Derham photo),and fabricated the rather odd trunk extension to satisfy the sheik's vanity.

Re: R11 OD Trans with 12volt? [by Tobs]

Fri, 03 Feb 2012 12:49:55 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: R11 OD Trans with 12volt?
Interesting...so do you have for each one of those things a porcelain resister inline? Do you still have a Generator or a modern alternator?

Re: Wade's Workshop [by Ozstatman]

Fri, 03 Feb 2012 08:05:24 -0000

Project Blogs:: Wade's Workshop
Friday 3rd February 2012

Low key time at the workshop this morning. But on Wednesday, after Noel and I left, Wade had removed the front brake drums from Fleurette and found a seal problem on the right side with grease on the linings then cleaned it all up and adjusted the brakes all round. This morning though, before turning to Fleurette, Wade gave Big Red some attention in replacing the hydraulic stop light switch, silicone brake fluid having again made the switch on Big Red inoperative. After checking the trans and OD oil levels and topping up the OD, the trans being OK, went for a test run in Fleurette. Brakes are a lot better, although still tending to pull slightly left. Thoughts are, a drum may be overly worn, bell shaped, ovoid or a combination of some or all of these conditions. Didn't have time to check that out, by swapping drums side to side, because Noel needs Fleurette tomorrow. Noel's doing a favour for a mate who's daughter is being married, and was picking her(Fleurette) up a little later in the morning.

Without the advantage of time, looked at starting installation of the radio that Wade rebuilt recently in Fleurette. Only did the speaker box though, because there weren't any problems doing that, there being two holes in the firewall corresponding exactly with the mounting holes required. All that was needed was to drill through the insulation and carpet to provide access for the mounting bolts. The radio head however presents as a problem. Although Fleurette currently has a radio head mounted in the dash it is a different type to the one replacing it. The current head has a square station wavelength dial in the middle flanked by a knob on either side. The replacement radio head has these same features as well as a square button on the left and a drum dial on the right. These added features operate the five station pre-set option. The problem arises because although the dash structure has the cutouts for the pre-set button and dial t...

Re: phil88m6's 1936 120B convertible [by Ozstatman]

Fri, 03 Feb 2012 05:48:22 -0000

Project Blogs:: phil88m6's 1936 120B convertible
Phil,
Sorry to go but Roger's mention led me to go back and have a look in the Packard Owner's Registry , at his Coupe. Looking at the picture in the entry makes me wonder, what does it looks like now? Roger?

Re: removing heater bezel next to steering column on 56 [by buddyfromvb]

Fri, 03 Feb 2012 02:46:07 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: removing heater bezel next to steering column on 56
thank you HH56 that is what i thought. i may remove the column because i also want to remove the instrument cluster as one of the lenses is damaged

Re: Henry's 55 Constellation [by cli55er]

Fri, 03 Feb 2012 02:02:47 -0000

Project Blogs:: Henry's 55 Constellation
got some painting done tonight, which should conclude the engine painting.

the transmission i will have to do the bottom side once i attach it to the engine on the hoist, which is about the easiest way i can think to join the two together and lower it all into the frame as one unit. i did get some runs in the bellhousing, but eh...it will be under the car.

Hank

Re: LED versus halogen bulbs [by patgreen]

Thu, 02 Feb 2012 23:16:08 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: LED versus halogen bulbs
Has anyone tried the LED headlights sold by JC Whitney? last time I looked they were $300......

Re: For Sale - 1953 288 Straight 8 and Ultramatic Transmission - Australia [by MelbournePackard]

Thu, 02 Feb 2012 21:58:34 -0000

For Sale, Wanted, Trade:: For Sale - 1953 288 Straight 8 and Ultramatic Transmission - Australia
Hi Mal,

Thanks for the info I'll have to see if he's interested. In terms of the car I still have it but now it runs a Ford 351 Cleveland V8. I know its not original but can easily be changed back in this case.

Re: help with engine # [by Tim49]

Thu, 02 Feb 2012 19:53:25 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: help with engine #
this engine # sure is a mystery. i have read all that has been written here and found the engine # PDF, and yes the 'M' is in 1954.......
now i will go find the date the block was cast . that will be interesting to find.
the good news is i had help figuring out the timing and distrib. etc and the car started this morning and sounded good. timing set/ it is so gratifying to get the car runing well after i finish a project..... t o hear the sound of the enginge is exciting. wow.

Re: My New Esquire Replica Project [by Ozstatman]

Thu, 02 Feb 2012 19:52:32 -0000

Project Blogs:: My New Esquire Replica Project
John,
Although not yet an "Esquire" for including your '55 Four Hundred Hardtop Coupe in the Packard Owner's Registry.

Re: Wanted heater motor for a 1940 110 [by David Grubbs]

Thu, 02 Feb 2012 16:07:30 -0000

For Sale, Wanted, Trade:: Wanted heater motor for a 1940 110
John - try contacting Flackmaster in Dallas. He has lots of prewar stuff and might could help you on the heater.

Re: waterpump woes [by cli55er]

Thu, 02 Feb 2012 14:41:08 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: waterpump woes
for anyone looking for the metal impeller like the one i got here is another ebay auction that just popped up and you wont have to worry about changing the fan blade hub.

i asked the seller and it is cast iron not backlite.

Hank

http://www.ebay.com/itm/230740304192?_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649&item=230740304192&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK:MEWAX:IT&vxp=mtr

Re: Engine Oddity [by BigKev]

Thu, 02 Feb 2012 05:33:24 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: Engine Oddity
The following SC's explain the swap and match what we saw under the hood as far as the parts configuration. They do not provide any guidance on the engine number.

http://www.packardinfo.com/xoops/html/downloads/SC/SC-VOL27NO7.pdf

http://www.packardinfo.com/xoops/html/downloads/SC/SC-VOL27NO9.pdf

Re: Lifters? Help please! [by Owen_Dyneto]

Thu, 02 Feb 2012 04:26:20 -0000

Modification Discussion:: Lifters? Help please!
The 356 motor hydraulic lifters used to interchange to White truck motors which were Packard Six with hydraulic lifters. We were always able to get those, but supplies were limited.

Tim, can you advise your source for this information?

I don't know much about the 1T-245 engines sold to White for the 3014 and 3015 series trucks except that about 7500 were provided between 1950 and 1962. The one White ad I do have (excerpt below) says in the specifications that the lifters were "adjustable" which to me means mechanical lifters. I suppose that could have changed over the course of the years and that ad is undated. Thus my interest.

Re: How Much graphite is enough? [by Kevin AZ]

Thu, 02 Feb 2012 01:39:04 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: How Much graphite is enough?
Advice taken. Found that pesky lube port ONLY after locating it on an extra speedometer cluster I had here at the house. A royal pain to lube the head while it is in the car! Speedo has now quieted down and is smooth again. Thanks much!

Re: Question about tappets.... [by Jack Vines]

Thu, 02 Feb 2012 01:34:12 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: Question about tappets....
Hi, Pat,

Replacing lifters (yes, lifters and tappets are somewhat interchangeable terms) one at a time can work. If the cam lobe surfaces are good, new lifters on an old cam is fine.

Because Packard V8s use soft valve springs, cam lobe wear is not common, but not unheard of. If the cam lobe is worn, usually when the lifter is removed, there will be corresponding wear on the lifter face.

If you need them, I've got NOS lifters at $10 each.

jack vines

Re: Fuel problem question old new guy [by Jim McDermaid]

Thu, 02 Feb 2012 00:31:30 -0000

General:: Fuel problem question old new guy
I was thinking the throttle position linkage may need a little adjustment as before I adjusted the auto choke I believe the idle position was always on at least one step up.

This problem has never actually stalled the engine and only happens occasionally and I only notice it since I cut back the auto choke.

Here in Phoenix a morning cold start is about 45 degrees.

I appreciate the information.

Jim

Re: 1956 Packard Clipper Part Out-Lafayette, IN 47905 [by neljoshua]

Wed, 01 Feb 2012 21:45:06 -0000

For Sale, Wanted, Trade:: 1956 Packard Clipper Part Out-Lafayette, IN 47905
All parts listed sold except for the automatic tranny (which I have yet to remove).

Josh

Re: Three Packards for Sale: Lafayette, IN (47905) [by neljoshua]

Wed, 01 Feb 2012 21:44:16 -0000

For Sale, Wanted, Trade:: Three Packards for Sale: Lafayette, IN (47905)
All cars listed are sold. Thanks.

Josh

Re: F/S 1956 Packard 400 [by West Peterson]

Wed, 01 Feb 2012 15:00:56 -0000

For Sale, Wanted, Trade:: F/S 1956 Packard 400
Nice. My favorite postwar Packard, in the right colors and the right condition. I agree, that should not last too long. I wish it were mine.

Re: 1950 Packard Eight Destined For Racing [by Ben_Wojdyla]

Wed, 01 Feb 2012 14:01:47 -0000

Project Blogs:: 1950 Packard Eight Destined For Racing
More progress over the last few days. The steering wheel is pulled, engine electrics removed, fuel tank and exhaust off, parking brake disconnected, kickpanel plates removed, and probably a few other things. I think I have to remove the rear bumper still and after that, as far as I can tell the body is ready for lift off. Very exciting.
[img width=800]http://i.imgur.com/5i69A.jpg[/img]
[img width=800]http://i.imgur.com/RJ0v7.jpg[/img]
[img width=800]http://i.imgur.com/tr8Yb.jpg[/img]

[img width=800]http://i.imgur.com/kjJOZ.jpg[/img]
The further I dig the more astonished I am that I drove this car home. Take a wild guess what that modern wire wrapped around the insulation free coil wire was powering. Note, this is in as-bought and driven condition... ready? Fuel pump.

[img width=800]http://i.imgur.com/ofEP6.jpg[/img]
And this one was a bit of fun. There was a spare guard from fork truck laying around and it just so happens to fit almost exactly in between the frame rails. If we were going Mad Max with this build this would definitely end up as the grille. As it is, onward and upward!

Re: 1938 1604 windshield parts diagram [by efmautoclutch]

Wed, 01 Feb 2012 11:50:06 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: 1938 1604 windshield parts diagram
Thank you.

Re: Radiator interchangability [by JW]

Wed, 01 Feb 2012 03:13:01 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: Radiator interchangability
David, I also recored the radiator on my 1947 Clipper Custom with a modern design core while retaining the upper and lower tanks. It helped the cooling tremendously. Packard used a rubber washer mounting system for its radiators on the 24th thru 56th series cars. Look at my project blog (Adventures with a 1955 Clipper) for a description of how I adapted modern parts to substitute for originals.

(o[]o)

Re: For Sale: 1955 Packard Patrician Touring Sedan - BARN FIND [by 51Mayfair]

Tue, 31 Jan 2012 22:59:18 -0000

For Sale, Wanted, Trade:: For Sale: 1955 Packard Patrician Touring Sedan - BARN FIND
Hey guys,

Thanks for the info, interesting stuff on the numbers!

Re: Great Packard Value. [by JW]

Tue, 31 Jan 2012 21:47:36 -0000

For Sale, Wanted, Trade:: Great Packard Value.
I would appreciate it if you would look to see if this car has a Briggs body number plate. Probably located on the RH side of the firewall near the stamped numbers (Theft Proof Numbers) Thanks in advance.

(o[]o)

Re: manifold heat riser rebuild kit & counterweight attachment [by Dave Merrick]

Tue, 31 Jan 2012 21:17:48 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: manifold heat riser rebuild kit & counterweight attachment
Been there, done that.
I ended up getting a block of brass and drilling it to slide over the shaft and tapping for a set-screw to hold it on. Now I can take it on/off and even make adjustments to the angle at-will.
-Dave

Re: Sleeving the wheel support upright [by Owen_Dyneto]

Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:21:58 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: Sleeving the wheel support upright
Before these cars became "collectibles" and fell into the hands of those who bought them solely for cheap transportation, I doubt they ever saw much in the way or grease jobs or other lubrication needs.

Re: 38-9 running board pics and measurements [by flackmaster]

Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:04:03 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: 38-9 running board pics and measurements
The only source for correct restoration of 38-40 Junior runningboards is Hundley Acuff in Georgia. Not cheap, but you get what you pay for.

Re: 54 Radiator cap [by HH56]

Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:55:22 -0000

General:: 54 Radiator cap
According to the the specs in service counselor Vol 28 #4, they used 12 on all cars in 54. 7 for most Clipper models in 53 and earlier.

Re: Seat Upholstery Kits or Fabric for a 1938 Eight [by WILLIS]

Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:26:27 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: Seat Upholstery Kits or Fabric for a 1938 Eight
KANTER has all of the items you are looking for.

Re: converting from Houdaille to Delco shocks [by FPTGearhead]

Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:35:51 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: converting from Houdaille to Delco shocks
Just an update on the progress of my shock issue...

Apple Hydraulics sold me four rebuilt Delco shocks, fronts and rears, to replace the Houdailles. Other than different length mounting bolts, they went on easily. Just recently finished the total job on the front end, from the steering box rebuild all the way to the tie rod ends were replaced or rebushed. Changed all the drivetrain seals too. Rear shocks were swapped to Delcos. Used lots of POR15 chassis paint also. Recommend that stuff.
Car rides fine, handles bumps well and no issues with the Delcos. Nice to have a normal car again. Apple Hydraulics did not want my old Houdes as cores because no other vehicles use them other than mine. No problem. I recommend Apple Hydraulics if you need their services.

I do have a few other questions needing help that I'll post separately. Thanks to all that helped with this project.

DJ

E10, E15 Motor Fuels [by Owen_Dyneto]

Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:27:19 -0000

General:: E10, E15 Motor Fuels
Those with an interest in the chracteristics and problems posed by these fuels in older (generally pre 1987) cars might find it worthwhile to borrow or purchase a copy of the Studebaker Driver's Club's (SDC) February 2012 issue of Turning Wheels. The article by Don Kenney, PE is well-written and interesting. Mr. Kenney is a professional engineer retired from a career in engine and fuel systems.

Re: Automotive Vintage Collectibles- Lot of 9 [by dallas]

Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:09:56 -0000

For Sale, Wanted, Trade:: Automotive Vintage Collectibles- Lot of 9
Sold- Thanks Gene

Re: Wanted: Stromberg ee-22 for standard eight (320) [by 34PackardRoadsta]

Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:41:21 -0000

For Sale, Wanted, Trade:: Wanted: Stromberg ee-22 for standard eight (320)
Thanks for the heads up. Unfortunately not the right application, as Dave says.

Tom

Re: La Carrera Packard engine [by Peter Packard]

Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:24:14 -0000

Modification Discussion:: La Carrera Packard engine
G'day all, what a fantastic thread. In 1967, I purchased a 1952-200 which a previous owner had fitted a 62.5 thou bored out 327 with a shaved head and stick shift Packard R11 and 3.23 rear end. It ran the original carb with bigger jets, and I am still amazed at the performance of the car which I demolished in a fall asleep while driving adventure in 1969. I towed a car trailer at over 100mph regularly and the speedo used to go right around to the zero stop while the car speed kept increasing. ( I would estimate that it did around 115 (180 KPH) under ideal conditions, but sensational for a sedan in those days. It was awesome and not many fun ( Police) on the roads either. Now, as a Senior, I am more relaxed in the genital area and the Hyundais regularly get me at the lights in my 38 Packard hot rod. But never in my Mazda 13B Turbo RX3 which runs 10.9 quarters. Best Regards and love the thread. Peter Toet

Re: Several questions... [by Paul Weeks]

Tue, 31 Jan 2012 03:33:51 -0000

General:: Several questions...
Hood prop ordered and paid for! Thanks guys.

Re: BigKev's 1954 Packard Clipper Deluxe Sedan [by Rich]

Tue, 31 Jan 2012 02:41:55 -0000

Project Blogs:: BigKev's 1954 Packard Clipper Deluxe Sedan
Ross,

I'm definitely interested in "Packard Camp". I've just been laid off from work so kinda have lots of time on my hands. I'll PM you about some things.

Re: Recent additions to the Owner Registry [by Ozstatman]

Mon, 30 Jan 2012 21:46:03 -0000

General:: Recent additions to the Owner Registry
and Fred110nm for including his '40 One-Ten 4-Door Touring Sedan in the Packard Owner's Registry.

Re: Steele Rubber and Weatherstrip adhesive [by JW]

Mon, 30 Jan 2012 15:53:01 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: Steele Rubber and Weatherstrip adhesive
The procedure and product Joe describes and uses works the best for me too.

(o[]o)

Re: Throw Out Bearing for 1938 Packard [by dienes83646]

Mon, 30 Jan 2012 14:13:10 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: Throw Out Bearing for 1938 Packard
Thanks for the info and the pic. I know what to do now.

Re: Front door problem 1948 22nd Series Sedan [by meaarch]

Mon, 30 Jan 2012 13:39:46 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: Front door problem 1948 22nd Series Sedan
Hi Barrie and thanks for reply - much appreciated.

Nice to know one of these kits is fitted to your car - so they DO work.

Please let me know if it is a Roto-Lokit kit (if you can find the box that is !! - know I can't ever find anything despite everyone saying how tidy I am.)

Photo taken last week at my Restorer's Shop - indoors so colours seem a lot brighter than they are in reality.

Reference wear and tear : got to remember first owner (Tobacco Famer in Rhodesia) scrapped this car back in 1968 when it was just 20 years old - he obviously thought that he had worn it out, so I think doors not shutting properly 40 or so more years later can be forgiven !!

Michael

Re: intake manifold? [by BigKev]

Mon, 30 Jan 2012 02:31:44 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: intake manifold?
I can confirm that the 356 manifolds bolt directly to the 288/327/359 blocks. Saw one this weekend. Also they all use the same manifold gaskets for further confirmation.

Re: WTB V8 gaskets [by Packard8]

Mon, 30 Jan 2012 02:27:07 -0000

For Sale, Wanted, Trade:: WTB V8 gaskets
Thanks for the suggestion Kev. I contacted him and he only has them for straight 8's

John

Re: Ebay auction of the week [by cortcomp]

Mon, 30 Jan 2012 02:21:37 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: Ebay auction of the week
Quote:

packards1 wrote:
I just "asked the seller a question" Is the car original or restored?

You know what the answer is going to be...

"well, it's both...originally restored!"

i have to think, with the brief description, that he doesn't really know anything about it, and did a nada price guide look up on a super 8 in mint condition?

Re: Trailer for Packard [by Packard8]

Mon, 30 Jan 2012 02:18:50 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: Trailer for Packard
Quote:

D-train wrote:
Just as a note... The haulers for the auto manufacturers put the cars in park, with the parking brake on. A manual trans is put in reverse with the brake on also.

But I guess that someone can question the drivelines on the older cars.

For me personally, if I ever had straps snap, come loose, or unhook, I would prefer the "pig" on my "rig" (as we call it) to be in gear (beyond a parking brake). I feel a little bit safer with that. Just my opinion.

Good luck,

Mark

Hi Mark,

I believe most new car transporters use chains & binders attached to engineered anchor points on the frame (or underbody) of modern cars. This cinches them down tight and so little movement is possible that I doubt that driveline strain or loading would be a problem. Without those anchor points, we are pretty much limited to using the axles as tie-down points on our older cars. As well as HD ratchet straps, I always set one safety chain front & rear with a few inches of slack in it.

Re: Packard International Membership Meet 2012 [by Fred Puhn]

Mon, 30 Jan 2012 02:03:38 -0000

Shows and Events:: Packard International Membership Meet 2012
Margaret and I went to the show and swaps this wekend. I sold lots of Packard parts, bought some expensive ones for my 23rd series. My wife Margaret sold some vintage hats she made, plus some other antique clothing. The weather was perfect. We really had a nice weekend. The Packards were gorgeous.
Fred Puhn

Re: '32 Light Eight Sedan - New Member [by BigKev]

Mon, 30 Jan 2012 02:01:36 -0000

General:: '32 Light Eight Sedan - New Member
Love that Shovelnose Grill. Packard should have used it for more than just 1 year.

Re: 1955 Clipper parts for sale [by John Miller]

Mon, 30 Jan 2012 00:49:02 -0000

For Sale, Wanted, Trade:: 1955 Clipper parts for sale
Thank you, all parts sold except the fender, lazier straight and rust free.
95% quality paint Packard light green over dark green
Will send picture with inquiry.
$225 mimium price.
Do not know about shipping that large or an item.
We live in California.
Thank You
John Miller

Re: bushings for shift idler lever? [by JW]

Sun, 29 Jan 2012 17:38:05 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: bushings for shift idler lever?
packardkelly, another thing to check for smoother shifting is the clutch anti-chatter rod. The rod is secured to the transmission and a cross member with brackets. The rod is adjustable so as to take-out slack. The problem is the rubber bushings wear and go bad over time and with exposure to the elements and oil. I replaced the rubber bushings on my 47 Custom Clipper and the improvement in shifting was remarkable. Plus, the clutch chatter I was getting when backing was all but eliminated. I used shock absorber bushings, but vendors sell correct replacements.

Watch out for the aliens, they will get into your Packard and cause all kinds of problems.

(o[]o)

Re: rear main seal [by Tim Cole]

Sun, 29 Jan 2012 16:44:35 -0000

General:: rear main seal
Hi Folks:

Even with the Ultramatic the trans should be able to stay in the car.

I always use guide pins to prevent damaging flex plates on Automatics and the clutch Marcel on manuals.

If you make up pins from long bolts then you can slide the whole unit back far enough to lower the crankshaft. Of course on the manual the mounts and OD solenoid need to be removed.

This job is such a problem, and given the Packard crankshaft has a slinger I'm still inclined to use dowels to re-seat the existing upper seal and add more material.

Also, if the upper portion is leaking due to main bearing wear, then some careful application of shim stock may correct the situation.

Given a motor with this condition is already worn I don't see the benefit in risking crankshaft damage for the sake of overkill. One thing about Packard Eights, cars I have driven that have never had the crankshaft tampered with always seem to run smoother than the best rebuilts. That long crankshaft is very delicate.

Re: FOR SALE -NOS Carter 2bbl Carburetor [by dallas]

Sun, 29 Jan 2012 00:55:40 -0000

For Sale, Wanted, Trade:: FOR SALE -NOS Carter 2bbl Carburetor
I have been told this carb will work on 48-50 Standard 8's with minor adjustments. Thanks

Re: M&H Flat head [by Jack Vines]

Sat, 28 Jan 2012 23:29:55 -0000

Modification Discussion:: M&H Flat head
Quote:

the clattery noise I hear going up hills must be the ping you guys are talking about! sounds like something metalic is broken or rattling around in the engine but only up a hill like a bolt in a coffee can - this definatly got better with each improvement in the engine tune in terms of ignition wires, timing, especially the timing; I was at 12 btdc now 6 per spec

Exactly. Since you're willing to modify the car, consider the GM HEI distributor conversion and a hotter coil. The flathead needs the most accurate and strongest spark it can get. Not only that, but many of the Packard distributors I see have worn bearings, worn centrifugal advance and perished vacuum diaphragms. A new HEI fixes all those problems as well.

Quote:

I guess an air cleaner,is the wcfb an oil bath again. Does a later paper element breath better?

Yes, the oil bath works just fine and filters as well or better than the paper.

No, if anything, the paper filter has more restriction, but it's not enough to make any difference.

Maybe, consider a split exhaust manifold and dual pipes. Should sound great!

jack vines

Re: 1951 spark plug wires [by Tim Cole]

Sat, 28 Jan 2012 21:00:54 -0000

General:: 1951 spark plug wires
The sets I got from Merritt looked exactly the same as the picture. For pre-1951 cars the distributor boots are available from Steele.

Fasteners and Clips [by IBUB]

Sat, 28 Jan 2012 18:59:49 -0000

General:: Fasteners and Clips
Just found a good place to buy clips/fasteners for the 200. Thought I would pass it along. www.mrgusa.com. Been lookiing for some clips for a while and he seems to have a bit of everything.

Re: Max effort straight 8 [by JW]

Sat, 28 Jan 2012 16:35:52 -0000

Modification Discussion:: Max effort straight 8
Or put a 374 in the 52. As Stroker McGirk (sp.?) used to say: "The only substitute for cubic inches is more cubic inches." Bob Aller put a 352 in his 54 300.

(o[]o)

Re: 37 dealership photo [by Marston]

Sat, 28 Jan 2012 15:58:43 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: 37 dealership photo
I think they are different shops. Basing this on the light fixtures. Also, the first one appears to have fire sprinklers hanging from the ceiling. Would this have been something one would see in the mid-30's?

Marty

Re: COSMETICALY Period correct parts with hi-tec or retro entrails [by packardtaximan]

Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:43:23 -0000

Modification Discussion:: COSMETICALY Period correct parts with hi-tec or retro entrails
How about window glass.

Re: Urgent Help Contacting Business in The States, Please. [by Ozstatman]

Sat, 28 Jan 2012 03:41:17 -0000

General:: Urgent Help Contacting Business in The States, Please.
Quote:

Don Skotty wrote:Pat....I will be happy to pay Mr. Lock a personal visit! (with some of my boys).

Don,

Would that be in one of your Packard, with the boys ready to play like this?

And Pat,

As I indicated in your other thread Vintage Auto Parts, Denver. my experience with VAPInc was positive, but it was 3 years ago!

Re: 37 six water distribution tube [by Ozstatman]

Sat, 28 Jan 2012 03:10:07 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: 37 six water distribution tube
Here are some pic's of the tube out of my '41 120, the tube for the Six/110 being similar. If I remember, I'll take some pic's of the one out of the '40 110 that's being rebuilt at the moment. Tube for that was stuck and was damaged getting it out. However Wade had a new one "on the shelf", now nil stock.

Re: New emissions standards. [by HH56]

Sat, 28 Jan 2012 01:08:52 -0000

General:: New emissions standards.
Couldn't agree more. We can and do go nuts out here but unfortunately, in this case I think most of California is caught between two unmoving rocks --the EPA and their surrogate the Air Resources Board, and two hard places -- geography and prevailing winds.

This is just the latest attempt to satisfy the federal EPA which has levied massive fines for failure to clean the air enough -- standards which even half the population number couldn't meet.

No matter how clean the engine, winds blow whatever they emit over a few low mountain ranges into pockets where it can't escape because it runs into a big mountain. That large ozone or particulate number in the stagnant pockets is all the EPA sees or cares about--no matter the reason it's high. This time the hope is that a few million electric cars won't spit anything out and enough of those Chevys (which have many tame politicians on the payroll protecting their interests) can keep running. One of the past plans would have gone after some of those cars that were "modern" yet high polluters but the campaign contributions were paid in time so it was gutted. The cars are just the tip of the problem but very easy to target.

The other states which follow California auto standards are just along for the ride. I suppose they are free to opt out if plan is of no benefit to them. Manufactures though are pushing for a nationwide plan because they only want to build to one standard and right now, California Air Resources Board is setting it. I'm sure the EPA is delighted. Electric cars also help their CAFE number so now with a few tweaks stretching the time frame and the fact most will have a model to sell by then, they're all for a mandate.

Re: Wanted O/D tranny [by packardtaximan]

Fri, 27 Jan 2012 23:40:19 -0000

For Sale, Wanted, Trade:: Wanted O/D tranny
Be sure to get a transmission for the junior series . The input shaft on the senior models has a larger shaft.

For Sale-Thompson Manual for Studebaker [by dallas]

Fri, 27 Jan 2012 22:30:08 -0000

For Sale, Wanted, Trade:: For Sale-Thompson Manual for Studebaker
I have a Thompson Repair & Tune-up manual for Studebaker 1939-47. It has some water staining but is usable. Too nice to throw out. $20 shipped. Thanks

Re: 1930 733 tie rods, need replacements [by Ray17015]

Fri, 27 Jan 2012 21:59:37 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: 1930 733 tie rods, need replacements
part # 126145 - is shown in my parts manual fitting 2nd-5th series as well.

part # 132145 listed as 3rd-5th.

My manual only goes through the 5th series.

Re: 1948 Packard 22nd Series Six Touring Sedan Fur flexi covered water stops fitted to outside of - - - [by meaarch]

Fri, 27 Jan 2012 14:03:01 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: 1948 Packard 22nd Series Six Touring Sedan Fur flexi covered water stops fitted to outside of - - -
Hi Barrie

Abandoned trying to replace the one with the curved-up end fitted to the inside window trim (which is chrome on my car) but will be fitting a straight piece under it (glued on )actually we have cleaned and "fluffed" up the "furflex" quite well but adding a second new bit we consider will do no harm.

On the outside we have removed the old bits (practically nothing was left anyways)and abandoned them in favour of Woolies window to door rubber weatherstrip (tiny clips AND glue to keep in position)okay I know not strictly to spec. but hey it'll keep the water out - this is England where it rains a lot.

See attached photo.

I thought you said in your comment on my other Topic (22nd Series door problem - - )that you had used the Roto-Lokit kit - but someone thought that you meant you'd cured it some other way. Would you mind clearing this up please - I don't want to saw away at my car to fit the kit and find I can't !!!!

Look forward to your reply.

Cheers Michael

Re: packards in tv and movies [by 55PackardGuy]

Fri, 27 Jan 2012 06:34:44 -0000

General:: packards in tv and movies
Thanks for that link. You can tell quite a bit about the starts based on their rides. I like the low-key approach of Johnny Weissmuller in his Chevrolet, Jimmy Stewart hangin' with his Plymouth and Ginger Rogers looking very satisfied with her tastefully understated Plymouth. They don't seem to have to look so stern and in-control, (or nuts and out-of-control) as some of the others.

Talk about stern: Erich Von Stroheim is obviously having none of zizz monkeybissness.

Re: 4 bbl intake /carb swap [by randy berger]

Fri, 27 Jan 2012 03:45:20 -0000

Modification Discussion:: 4 bbl intake /carb swap
Back in my younger days (long ago and far away), I converted a 52 mayfair to stick with OD and put a four-barrel manifold and carb on the engine. Made it a floor-shift. Had to make an extension on the carb linkage to reach the full throw. Took the two wires from the carb start switch and connected to the back-up switch on the ultramatic linkage - I had already removed the back-up lights.
So you turned on the key, slipped in the clutch, and threw the ultra lever into reverse till the car started, slipped that into Park and shifted gears on the floor.
My wife passed her driver's test in that car. The State cop said he should have passed her as soon as she got it started and pulled out.

Re: Modern distributor for '38 Su8 [by packard1984]

Fri, 27 Jan 2012 03:31:10 -0000

Modification Discussion:: Modern distributor for '38 Su8
Joe Hunt cam custom build a magneto for pretty much any application they quoted me $800 about a year ago for my 327, but it wont be hidden by any means but they are a good part. If you have switched to 12V ignition Pertronix has an electronic conversion that replaces your points all together and i have heard there quite good but i can't say for sure if they will work on a packard.

Re: Wanted, 1932 Light Eight [by JHH]

Fri, 27 Jan 2012 02:53:05 -0000

For Sale, Wanted, Trade:: Wanted, 1932 Light Eight
Jump

Some people deride sedans as uninteresting collector cars, but they have many advantages. One is that they are very seldom cobbled up from other body styles.....

Regards

John Harley

Re: Limo question [by HH56]

Fri, 27 Jan 2012 01:35:36 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: Limo question
As for where the limo heater pics up the freshair is somewhat of a moot point. Our 56's pic up freash air at the front grill level rite there pointed at the cars exhaust pipe in front of us.

Isn't that the truth. Problem is except for that heater with the cowl vent option, Packard didn't offer fresh air heaters until mid 48.

Re: Dome Light Switch, hydrostatic gask gauge 1929 wanted [by Jim Eubanks]

Fri, 27 Jan 2012 00:14:04 -0000

For Sale, Wanted, Trade:: Dome Light Switch, hydrostatic gask gauge 1929 wanted
thanks for the reply, I need the switch. My fenders are very good.

Re: 37 120 rumble seat lid removal [by rvsls]

Thu, 26 Jan 2012 23:56:06 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: 37 120 rumble seat lid removal
yes, I will try to take some pictures as I progress. Will be out of town for the weekend so the project will be at a standstill until next week. Will update when I get back to the project.

Thanks for all the help,

Rod

Re: For Sale-Lot of Misc [by dallas]

Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:36:08 -0000

For Sale, Wanted, Trade:: For Sale-Lot of Misc
Gene, In the second photo the small box has 3- rear deck latch assy and are marked GM, also there is a headlite relay (Delco) and a Defroster switch. The first photo shows the GM visor/vanity mirror and a glare shield for inside rear view mirror which might work for you. Thanks

Re: For Sale- Vintage Test Tools [by dallas]

Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:12:19 -0000

For Sale, Wanted, Trade:: For Sale- Vintage Test Tools
SOLD -Thanks for everyones interest---

Re: 6th series rods and pistons [by 34PackardRoadsta]

Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:14:03 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: 6th series rods and pistons
That is correct. I have done it both ways, and option 2 is certainly easier. You are also much less likely to bang up the rod bearings.

Tom

Re: good evning [by randy berger]

Thu, 26 Jan 2012 14:44:02 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: good evning
It is good to see you making progress. Enjoy working on your car! It gives me pleasure to work on mine

Good Packard books just listed on eBay [by West Peterson]

Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:46:41 -0000

General:: Good Packard books just listed on eBay
The AACA Library is selling several duplicate books from its collection. Here is a listing of all the books they've got up right now, including a few Packard books.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/aacalibrarian/m.html?autorefresh=true&item=130632203483&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p3984.m1426.l2649&_trksid=p4340.l2562

Re: engine wont turn over!! help!!! [by fory]

Thu, 26 Jan 2012 07:30:57 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: engine wont turn over!! help!!!
Woo hoo!!! Solved the problem!! The bushing I had made was a little thick, so I turned it down on the lathe until it seemed good on the input shaft. After the trans went back on everything felt good, turned easily, and disengaged as it should. Thanks for all the help!!!

Sorry to those that read this earlier...... I wrote it while on my phone and the darn auto-correct butchered it... My apologies.

Re: faint glow of the battery light [by steve-52/200]

Thu, 26 Jan 2012 03:33:58 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: faint glow of the battery light
I found a used pulley for the generator in arizona at tucson packard ,Ill have it installed on the powergen and do my upgrade expariment with the 6v alternator and points replacement module ,thisll be fun ,if it improves performance in the straigt 8 as much as in the v8's and motorcycles ive used them in ,im in for a treat ..what do you think about getting a 4 bbl intake and carb to swop over for the 327 that has a 2 bbl ,worth the trouble?

Re: 1956 Clipper a/c [by JT]

Wed, 25 Jan 2012 21:03:22 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: 1956 Clipper a/c
I have all the components from a 55 Clipper. A/C, Condenser, Pump brackets....The only thing is then dash controls would not be included.